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I absolutely cannot continue to use the Mighty Mouse.

It has nothing to do with the way the mouse works. I don't mind needing to pick up my pointer finger to right-click - I frequently do that anyway. I like the little scrollball. And it's nice to have the added button on the side. I was doing just fine with the Mighty Mouse until I used it for hours on end today. Unfortunately, it is the wrong shape for my hands.

My wrists are extremely picky about angles due to the arthritis. The way I have to hold the Mighty Mouse leaves my right wrist in pain. This pain grew and grew as I used the mouse today. The pain wouldn't subside when I'd lift my hands away from the mouse or stop using it. Finally, the pain became distracting enough for me to plug my trusty old Logitech mouse back in.

I've been using this same Logitech mouse for 4 years. It's just a simple scroll wheel optical mouse, but it works and it doesn't make my wrist hurt. I saw no reason to change. Now, I've discovered just how perfect for my hand and wrist this mouse is. Using it actually reduces the pain caused by the Mighty Mouse.

A wheel click on the Logitech (IE normal) mouse brings up Dashboard, just as the closest analog on the Mighty Mouse did. However, there's no equivalent to squeezing the Mighty Mouse (for Exposé), which nugget says I'm likely to find very useful. So... I guess I'm in the market for a new mouse. Unfortunately, I don't know that anyone can give me advice on which mice might work well... Ones that are supposedly shaped to be very comfortable have always caused me pain in the past. And a short test in a store isn't really enough to know if it will cause me pain or not... At least, not unless I can figure out exactly what shape my hand needs.

This could become very frustrating.

Edit: I'm currently using Nugget's old Microsoft Wireles LaserMouse 6000. He told me it was crap - that the scrollwheel was horrible, but I want to give it a try anyway to try a larger, heavier body than the Logitech mouse. I'm finding that the shape of the body on the mouse seems pretty good. As long as I do not try to use the scrollwheel, the mouse is entirely usable, and even pleasant like the Logitech. But as soon as a finger tries to move the scrollwheel, pain shoots up my wrist.

Next edit: Wired version of the above wireless mouse is not the right shape. The bulges at the rear cause problems. There's a 5-button laser mouse from Logitech that looks to be the exact same shape as my old one. Though this appears to be the most expensive option, it may also be the most effective (I do not want to deal with batteries, and the wireless mice would demand that). However, as I use the wireless mouse, I'm finding I'm really liking the shape. So maybe I should look for a similar shape in a wired mouse.

Also, I added links to the mice, in case anyone was interested in seeing the different shapes.
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equiraptor From: equiraptor Date: September 17th, 2006 01:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's possible that software hacking may be enough. I know that in Linux, you can set separate actions for left click, right click, and clicking both simultaneously. There may be a mouse driver out there that can detect clicking both as "Mouse Button 4" to appropriately trigger Exposé, or give me a configurable name for it (I can change which mouse button triggers Exposé, I just don't have enough buttons on the Logitech).
equiraptor From: equiraptor Date: September 17th, 2006 03:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
Come to think of it, WoW interprets "Both" separately from "right" or "left," so I'm sure this is something the OS could be made to understand, with the right software.
belleaire From: belleaire Date: September 17th, 2006 11:35 am (UTC) (Link)
You are right that you can't fully test-drive a mouse in the store. All you can do is be conscious of the motion that is painful, and see if that same motion is required during the test.

I have a mouse at work that is shaped to fit your palm, with the marble on the side. You roll with your thumb while the mouse remains stationary. The buttons require a push, but no lift of the fingers. I have a Comfort articulated keyboard, and this mouse sits conveniently between the right-hand break in the alpha section and the numeric keypad section. Not only does this setup cause less aggravation of my CTS, it renders my workstation unusable by anyone else!

I'm wondering now if there isn't a website out there sponsored by an arthritis foundation that might have recommendations on the subject. It might be worth a Google.
equiraptor From: equiraptor Date: September 17th, 2006 01:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
Though I complained about the scroll whee on the Microsoft mouse, in general, finger motion isn't the big problem for me. After setting the Mighty Mouse and the Logitech next to each other, on my mouse pad, and altering back and forth between them, it seems to be the hand support that is the major issue, with minor added aggravation caused by the added width of the MM in the back.

The Microsoft mouse is a good bit taller than the Logitech, and even a bit longer. but it fits the curve of my hand well enough to provide the right kind of support, it seems.

I've stolen Nugget's wired version of the same mouse, since I'm up before him this morning, to give it a bit of a test drive. There are some significant differences in the shapes of the four mice and it might be enough to let me know what shape I need.
esuperlife From: esuperlife Date: September 17th, 2006 02:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't care much for the mighty mouse either. It looked really cool when it first came out, but after I started using it. A totally different beast. I don't have arthritis, though my joints do get achy when it's damp and cold outside. I sort of feel the same way about the Apple keyboard. Using my wireless one right now. It's nice and quiet, like I like but doesn't give me the proper tactile feedback.

I'm using the mouse that came with my G5 on the MBP. I've been using the same MS Intellimouse Optical since around 2001. It takes a licking and keeps on clicking. Your hands are smaller than mine and it might still be uncomfortable for you. Hope it works out for you.
cheebah From: cheebah Date: September 18th, 2006 09:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm usually a big Apple fan, but they seriously botch it big time when it comes to mouse design. Ever since that damn iMac mouse that was circular so you could feel which direction it was actually pointed...
mthiel From: mthiel Date: September 18th, 2006 10:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm collecting a whole pile of mice that I've rejected. Yesterday, my Logitech gaming mouse (the 518 or something) stopped acting rationally. It may have just been the drivers, but I got a little irrational myself. It wasn't that old, but I just can't be arsed to deal with a bad mouse. I wound up buying the MS Wireless 5k (the not-laser one) and I'm alright with it so far. The old one was giving me wrist problems as well. Hopefully, I'll be done with that problem too.
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 24th, 2006 03:54 pm (UTC) (Link)

well hello there old friend

I'm surprised I ran across your live journal. If your curious who this is, DracoNamar might ring a bell. I've done alot since the last time I saw you and nugget together in austin. I've moved around from ft.worth and austin, became a manager for a fortune 500 company, got married, and am now a MAGTF special operations planner for the Marine corp, in norfolk virginia.
I'd like to hear from ya. drop me a line draconamar@yahoo.com
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