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Windows Reinstall
Well, I decided my XP install had enough old stuff and cruft on it. I decided it was probably time for a reinstall... Leave off everything except a virus scanner, Firefox, IrfanView, and World of Warcraft, since that's all I use currently anyway. So, I started the reinstall at about 11:20pm. I'm still installing updates (Yes, this is from a base XP CD. That's what I have).

I do not like the XP install, and I do not like dealing with the battery of updates that's required. I'm finally finishing updates - I'm too the optional ones - at 12:55. Once that's in, I'll download Firefox, and the anti-virus I want, and all the hardware drivers I'll need. From there it will need Irfan View and World of Warcraft, and that should do it. Of course, WoW will require its own battery of patches, which I'm sure will be annoying and painful. Maybe I can start those patches downloading overnight... It will be good to have the clean system, but I do not enjoy the process of getting there.
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quelrod From: quelrod Date: October 22nd, 2005 06:17 am (UTC) (Link)
Ya the headache of dealing with windows is just not worth it. My workstation is OpenBSD and the install is 2+ years old. My laptop is FreeBSD and also about the same age. Amusingly there is no mysterious slow down, funny behavior, or serious cruft. It's odd...you install the OS and the system just keeps working until hardware failure :P

Though, it took me a while to give up the gaming. However, after I got use to not gaming, I cannot muster the desire to game. It just fails to hold my interest anymore.
equiraptor From: equiraptor Date: October 22nd, 2005 06:32 am (UTC) (Link)
Nugget will be glad to read this...

The more I deal with this Windows box and enjoy my iBook, the more tempted I am to buy an Apple desktop. The prices seem huge compared with what I could build myself, but OS X is just so... brain dead simple when I want it to be, yet so powerful when I need. In my perfect world, Apple would release OS X for generic x86, and I'd be running that instead of dual booting Linux and Windows. I'm just not sure I'm willing to pay the Apple price for hardware on a desktop machine.

And neither Linux nor the *BSDs can play WoW (at least, not natively), nor do they have the brain dead simple way of doing things that I can get with OS X.
quelrod From: quelrod Date: October 22nd, 2005 07:44 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, for the most part setting up a *nix system is a one time cost. Once the system is up there really isn't much annoyance dealing with it.

WoW is supported via Wine, gold support if memory serves. So it should work fine under FreeBSD or Linux.

Though, give up the gaming. You'll be amazed at how much more free time you have for fun: projects, reading, friends, etc. :P
cowbert From: cowbert Date: October 22nd, 2005 08:53 am (UTC) (Link)
when I gave up gaming, I just spent more time watching tv and goofing off online in general.
equiraptor From: equiraptor Date: October 22nd, 2005 01:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
It is not a one time cost, not the way I work, anyway. I keep finding new things I want to try. Trying to go from a single display to dual displays, with different content, on my x86 laptop in Linux was an absolute pain. I never did manage to get it working correctly. And I needed that to be able to do my job effectively, so it was back to Windows for me. That's just one example of the things I have tried that have either failed to work out, or have taken a huge amount of effort.

You notice I said "at least, not natively." There's a reason for that. The 3D rendering needed to run WoW is buggy, at best, and horrible at worst on Radeons, and I have a Radeon 9800 Pro. I will not give up my (mostly) stable, great graphics in Windows for mostly unstable, emulated graphics on *nix.

I have absolutely no desire to give up gaming. There have been time periods in my life when I didn't game, and I didn't do any more projects or reading, and I didn't spend any more time with friends. I do not let the gaming take over and control my life. I game when I have nothing better to do, and would otherwise be trying to entertain myself on various Internet forums, probably ending up looking like a fool.
quelrod From: quelrod Date: October 22nd, 2005 03:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hrm I take issue with the unstable remark about running it in wine. Have you tried wine before? Wine stands for Wine is not an emulator. It isn't it remaps the system calls. In fact at the height of hl/counterstrike my frame rates were BETTER running under slackware in wine than running it natively on windows. Anything with gold support in wine generally works flawlessly. Oh I also use to play Warcraft 3 under wine. wine setup.exe...followed by wine and whatever the name of the game binary was. Absolutely no problems.

Dual display is fairly trivial to setup.

I understand the desire for things to just work (TM) but I know plenty of people with Macs in which they are dropping to a shell to fix things. Hell a new dev at the office was having issues with his Mac and I dropped to a shell to fix it for him. Of course I barely know OSX and thus using a shell is going to get the problem fixed much faster. Oh and lets not talk about shitty performance with less than 2GB of RAM. Friend's powerbook was swapping 2.5gb ?!!
equiraptor From: equiraptor Date: October 22nd, 2005 03:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
I use WINE regularly at work. Have you tried to set up hardware 3D rendering on a Radeon to play Windows games in it? I have had WINE running some games rather well in Linux. I'm not saying none of them will work. I am saying, given that I have a very new Radeon, it's not going to be able to give me what Windows can for World of Warcraft. The Radeon drivers on Linux are unstable and incapable of giving me what I get on Windows.

Additionally, setting up dual display was trivial. However, getting the displays to display what I wanted was far from it. I tried more different settings than I could count, I tried googling, I tried asking others for help. No one could figure out how to get the displays to do what I needed, even though it took all of 5 seconds to configure it Windows.

Shitty performance with less than 2G RAM? That's odd. My mother's running OS X Tiger with 512M RAM and performance on her machine is perfectly fine.

I dare say you are less of an expert on these subjects than you believe yourself to be.
quelrod From: quelrod Date: October 22nd, 2005 06:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ah bad drivers. I specifically check hardware for OS support before buying it. Ya not much you can do if you don't do your homework first.

Perhaps your dual monitor problems was related to a poor choice of window manager?

Well, a coworker of mine has 768MB of RAM with a clean OSX install and that system is unbearbly slow. Yes this is true on a clean boot and only starting up say Safari and a terminal. I have used OSX with 512MB RAM and 768MB and it was awful. Perhaps I just expect more from my computer than the average non techie like your mother? Also, regardless of the perceived performance run vmstat on OSX some time and check out the swapping, it's scary.

I am not sure a cheap shot regarding my technical background is going to lead to a productive conversation.
equiraptor From: equiraptor Date: October 22nd, 2005 07:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ah bad drivers. I specifically check hardware for OS support before buying it. Ya not much you can do if you don't do your homework first.
And there you have assumed that my goal with purchasing the card was 3D hardware support in Linux. It wasn't. I did my homework, and concluded that that was the best card for what I needed. Thanks for making assumptions.

Perhaps your dual monitor problems was related to a poor choice of window manager?
No, actually, they were related to the fact that the card simply couldn't do that in Linux. It just can't. Period. The Window Manager can and does. And this wasn't something I purchased, so don't go claiming I didn't do my homework again.

Well, a coworker of mine has 768MB of RAM with a clean OSX install and that system is unbearbly slow. Yes this is true on a clean boot and only starting up say Safari and a terminal. I have used OSX with 512MB RAM and 768MB and it was awful. Perhaps I just expect more from my computer than the average non techie like your mother? Also, regardless of the perceived performance run vmstat on OSX some time and check out the swapping, it's scary.
I, also, find my mother's Mac with 512M RAM quite usable. Remember, you claimed less than 2G RAM had "shitty performance." My laptop has 1.5G RAM in it. I am constantly amazed at its ability to handle tasks. It is the lowest end portable I could buy from Apple, with the only modification over the very base being the 1G stick of RAM I added. That has it within your "shitty performance" section. Yet I find it more than sufficient as a full desktop replacement, even able to handle World of Warcraft while running Safari, Firefox, NeoOffice, iChat, iCal, Mail.app, Activity Monitor, and Terminal. Perhaps your limit should be closer to 1G RAM.

I am not sure a cheap shot regarding my technical background is going to lead to a productive conversation.
Calling something I couldn't do "trivial to setup" isn't going to lead to a productive conversation, either.

Please, stop making assumptions about my setups, my research, and my abilities. Neither Linux nor the *BSDs can do everything I need in a desktop machine the way I want it done with the ease OS X can accomplish. As I have said before, OS X is brain dead simple when I want it to be, yet so powerful when I need. Neither Linux nor the *BSDs are brain dead simple when I want them to be, and Windows lacks the powerful controls I want.
equiraptor From: equiraptor Date: October 22nd, 2005 07:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, and please stop trying to find fixes and causes for my problems with Linux. The very fact that these problems happen in Linux and just don't in OS X are precisely my point. It doesn't matter whether it was shitty hardware support, complex configuration tasks, or buggy code, whatever the cause of difficulties, they exist on Linux where they simply don't, for me, in a desktop OS in OS X.
pasketti From: pasketti Date: October 22nd, 2005 05:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've been thinking the same thing lately. I switched my home desktop to Linux almost a year ago, and while it's great fun playing with it, and I like the range of things it's capable of, sometimes I just want things to work.

Call me weird, but I don't think I should have to mess with settings for an hour or so just to get a USB flash drive to mount or to be able to use a new printer. A lot of this is my own doing for going with Gentoo, but I learn more when I have to get my hands dirty.

Unfortunately, Apple will never release a generic x86 version of OS X, because that would mean lost hardware sales, and they consider themselves a hardware company.
busychild424 From: busychild424 Date: October 23rd, 2005 05:08 am (UTC) (Link)
My Win2K install is getting pretty gunked up and is going to have to be wiped and reinstalled too... whenever I can find the time.

Not tomorrow - tomorrow is AutoX day.
equiraptor From: equiraptor Date: October 23rd, 2005 05:14 am (UTC) (Link)
Vroom.
busychild424 From: busychild424 Date: October 24th, 2005 02:33 am (UTC) (Link)
Indeed.
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